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Xrtds1 · May 19, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

well T I C i was the 2nd person in that group not in that guild, all i can say is yes its a morale issue BUT they told everyone (including me and you) that if you were joining them we all are going to roll on the sigil afterwards and we ALL agreed too (including you) so why would you roll, then lose, and refuse to give the sigil to the person who rightfully won? i know that its "random" but i've seen stories about HoH winning groups where 1 person has got all the sigils 4 consecutive times in 1 case, to me honestly i don't call that really random that is why this guild prolly has that extra precaution and that is why i agreed to that, now the other thing that bothered me when you said "its a 6v2 chance of them winning" sure 6 of em were in a guild and i came to found out they alrdy HAD a guild hall so why would they be anything remotely greedy when they usually give sigils to the guilds that fought with them? my best friends guild gotten a free sigil from them for just being a good sport during that roll, to me thats kind of a test.

Edit: forgot my other opinon..T I C i seriously think your just doin this to make yourself feel better after what you said to them, they never threatened with blacklist either makes ya wonder, i read up a bit more, no both T I C and i weren't asked to join the group we both asked them if we could see'in how we knew they won HoH numerous times before, also 1 last thing T I C why did you go afk for about 30 minutes after the group was done with HoH? i got ticked off and no doubt they all did as you saw by the numerous civil requests to you for the roll when you did finally come back you started slandering asking why do we need to roll (which you alrdy agreed too)

Jana · May 19, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by Xrtds1

well T I C i was the 2nd person in that group not in that guild, all i can say is yes its a morale issue BUT they told everyone (including me and you) that if you were joining them we all are going to roll on the sigil afterwards and we ALL agreed too (including you) so why would you roll, then lose, and refuse to give the sigil to the person who rightfully won? i know that its "random" but i've seen stories about HoH winning groups where 1 person has got all the sigils 4 consecutive times in 1 case, to me honestly i don't call that really random that is why this guild prolly has that extra precaution and that is why i agreed to that, now the other thing that bothered me when you said "its a 6v2 chance of them winning" sure 6 of em were in a guild and i came to found out they alrdy HAD a guild hall so why would they be anything remotely greedy when they usually give sigils to the guilds that fought with them? my best friends guild gotten a free sigil from them for just being a good sport during that roll, to me thats kind of a test.

Edit: forgot my other opinon..T I C i seriously think your just doin this to make yourself feel better after what you said to them, they never threatened with blacklist either makes ya wonder, i read up a bit more, no both T I C and i weren't asked to join the group we both asked them if we could see'in how we knew they won HoH numerous times before, also 1 last thing T I C why did you go afk for about 30 minutes after the group was done with HoH? i got ticked off and no doubt they all did as you saw by the numerous civil requests to you for the roll when you did finally come back you started slandering asking why do we need to roll (which you alrdy agreed too)

WOW... a soap opera in the making

**grabs popcorn**

Get's better and better. Though I will say this much. I think, IF the original poster agreed to roll BEFORE the match started, then he should roll and abide by the roll at the end. IF he agreed after it started, then it is his. Of course, since it is in the inventory of the OP, then it is his and it is up to him to decide what to do, fair or not... NO ONE has a right to ANYTHING in anyone else's possesions in this game (you want that, head over and play a thief in SB).

Jana

Ramus · May 19, 2005, 09:47 PM // 21:47

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Originally Posted by Jana

WOW... a soap opera in the making

**grabs popcorn**

Get's better and better. Though I will say this much. I think, IF the original poster agreed to roll BEFORE the match started, then he should roll and abide by the roll at the end. IF he agreed after it started, then it is his. Of course, since it is in the inventory of the OP, then it is his and it is up to him to decide what to do, fair or not... NO ONE has a right to ANYTHING in anyone else's possesions in this game (you want that, head over and play a thief in SB).

Jana

Yes, but they also did not agree NOT to roll.

And whoever said something about being scammed out of a house or car or such. What are you talking about? This guy was not scammed, the other players wanted to roll for the sigel, they didnt trick him in anyway.

TiC · May 19, 2005, 09:53 PM // 21:53

I specifically stated that there was no mention of this procedure prior to the HoH win, and I made no such agreement to roll before or after. I stand by what I said in my first post. Take that for what it's worth. I didn't come here to argue about that.

To everyone else, you guys have already answered my questions, and once again I appreciate your input.

Xrtds1 · May 19, 2005, 09:58 PM // 21:58

T I C, i'm sorry man but you did agreed to roll before tombs even started you can lie all you want dude but when the truth gets known your going to have to change that lie again and again. i'm sorry this got turned into a soap opera also ;p people like T I C who use good people for getting a sigil then changing his story afterwards disgusts me. btw T I C if i remeber correctly you said in that faithful HoH battle you were on TS correct? but on 1 of the other teams had a guildie of yours and was on TS, only the most creative mind can think what happened afterwards /eyeroll and thanks to the admins for letting this TIC charade continuing and not locking the thread before the truth was let out =)

TiC · May 19, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

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Originally Posted by TiC

I specifically stated that there was no mention of this procedure prior to the HoH win, and I made no such agreement to roll before or after. I stand by what I said in my first post. Take that for what it's worth. I didn't come here to argue about that.

This is my last post in this thread. Again, take it for what it's worth.

By the way, I have no guildies. It's a one man guild with a cape.

Soul Monarch · May 19, 2005, 10:18 PM // 22:18

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Originally Posted by Xrtds1

T I C, i'm sorry man but you did agreed to roll before tombs even started you can lie all you want dude but when the truth gets known your going to have to change that lie again and again. i'm sorry this got turned into a soap opera also ;p people like T I C who use good people for getting a sigil then changing his story afterwards disgusts me. btw T I C if i remeber correctly you said in that faithful HoH battle you were on TS correct? but on 1 of the other teams had a guildie of yours and was on TS, only the most creative mind can think what happened afterwards /eyeroll and thanks to the admins for letting this TIC charade continuing and not locking the thread before the truth was let out =)

*laugh* I couldn't care less. No matter what happened, it was already a random chance that he ever won the item in the first place.

You can like it or not, but he gets to choose what he want's to do with it. Any other talk on this particular situation is merely melodrama.

jdwoody · May 19, 2005, 10:22 PM // 22:22

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And whoever said something about being scammed out of a house or car or such. What are you talking about? This guy was not scammed, the other players wanted to roll for the sigel, they didnt trick him in anyway.

You compared someone keeping a sigil the game gave them to allowing a girl to get hit by a car. If you were going to make a comparison to real life I was picking something more appropriate.

*IF* they didn't mention the roll beforehand it is a scam. They'd hoped with 75% odds they would get the sigil, but when they didn't they changed the rules to get another shot. I'll admit to mostly playing with guildmates but when I have partied with strangers I've never asked them for a roll on anything they got, and they have never asked me for a roll on anything I got.

Irregardless of the he said/she said, I was only posting because the term "morality" was being thrown around and I still say if you get something legally and someone tries to take that from you and you say "no" you are not "immoral" for doing so...

DismalClown · May 19, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

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Originally Posted by JohnCoke

Someone with decent morales disgusts you... figures.

Never said it wasn't a fair drop and that he didn't have the right to keep it. Read the posts

Since when is someone who wants to roll on something that's already random (which = big baby) someone with decent morals? That's make so sense whatsoever.

Xrtds1 · May 19, 2005, 11:27 PM // 23:27

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Originally Posted by Soul Monarch

*laugh* I couldn't care less. No matter what happened, it was already a random chance that he ever won the item in the first place.

You can like it or not, but he gets to choose what he want's to do with it. Any other talk on this particular situation is merely melodrama.

wasn't asking for your opinion here monarch =) because *I* don't care about what you think is fair or not =) if rules are set down before tombs even start and all parties AGREE on it does it mean *your* guilds rules take precedent? not in a million years =) some guilds do things differently then others fine with me, i was ok with the rules as was T I C apparently till he lost the roll. the issue here isn't "since its random'd in tomb he/she gets it" the issue is he (being T I C) agreed to a set of rules and when he lost the roll he completely changes his mind. now is it fair the group had 6 guild members? to most no, to others with logical reasoning would conclude by past posts the guild in question alrdy has a guild hall and (a regular sigil price of about 50k i usually see) split 6 ways wouldn't be worth all this "drama" would it? or did it occur that maybe the person who won the roll, guild or guildless would keep it for himself? or lets change the perspective what if T I C didn't get that sigil by random? say 1 of the guild members did and refused to hand it over even with the rules known before tomb started how would he re-act? from what i seen during that chat, it would be T I C right here and now with these words reversed i assure you. so the whole drama about it being random'd in HoH its rightfully his, sure i would go with that but this case is differen't from i've seen and i'm on neither parties side hell i don't even care about that sigil anymore nor would i believe that guild would either, my advice is just watch whom you try to help alot of snakes out there. i'm done its over, everyone just move on with your lives, till the snake comes out and there will be another post about the same situation

Edit: funny how some people think that the guild in question are "Selfish whinny little immature kids" never did they once acted in such a way, frankly i'm see'ing a whole lotta words being twisted to make a story look good for him and get people to agree to him so he wouldn't feel bad, if he didn't why would he be here seeking a communitys approval? my point exactly or is it just all biased stuff? /sarcasm oh look a "i think i got scammed" post! lets feel sympathic to him w/o ever having any proof of his claims and just take his word for it afterall thats a tried and true way" sure i don't have proof either wish i did took SS's or a video of that conversation but the gaping holes in his story should be a hint for some of you

Xrtds1 · May 19, 2005, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by TiC

To be honest, I'm the kind of person who plays in the tombs to have a little fun, maybe win a few games, and that's that. I never have played to win the sigil, and don't necessarily care much if the drop goes to someone else. I'm even open to the possibility of selling the sigil and splitting the profits among those who played.

With that said, attitude is also important to me. I had a bad feeling from the moment they started trash talking the Koreans and drawing sexual organs on the compass that something like this would go down. Now that you guys have confirmed what I pretty much already knew, I see no reason to extend this courtesy to them. They tried to rip me off, were extremely rude about it, made constant threats which were laughable at best, and were all around being children about the situation.

Thanks for the input by the way guys, it's greatly appreciated.

1 last thing, dude you can't be serious about that stuff, the leader and a few others were telling the group to stop those drawings and wanna know who did it? i did, i thought it was funny so what and yes they did yell at me i can be immature at times who doesn't?, and from what i saw the guild always shows courtesy to foreigners if i remeber correctly and i quote i heard a certain person always saying "DIE koreans" and other obecenities and it wasn't them so bascially everything you based that quote from is from YOUR assumptions, thats a trustworthy source of "Attitude" coming from a person which "Attitude" is important.i wouldn't be here defending if i didn't have about 10 people on my ignore list right now. everybody is over the situation but you and your supposeive "1-man guild" is not. thank god for ignore list too

Sekkira · May 20, 2005, 05:18 AM // 05:18

Okay, the way I see it is; here we have TiC saying the guild are being assholes and over here we have the guild (apparently) saying that TiC is being an asshole. I dunno about you, but following his story, you're all a bunch of assholes because it's the same 6 people's words (who are obviously in cahoots, according to his story of course) against the opposite of his.

Then following the guild's story, you have 6 people that are generally annoyed at TiC's tactics of duping the rest of the team against his words trying to seek approval.

From what I can see, there is no third party that is in no way connected to either of the two. Therefore the rule is final, and you both should shut the hell up and get on with it. Either way, you seemed to be a good enough team to get it in the first place, so why don't you just regroup and go for another round?

If I was a mod/admin, this topic would now be closed.

Studio Ghibli · May 20, 2005, 09:16 AM // 09:16

It was a scam.

Good call, mate.

xakia · May 20, 2005, 10:10 AM // 10:10

If the guy honestly won the sigil, then he honestly deserves it. Those 6 players were showing no sportmanship. If they REALLY needed a sigil, 6 people could EASILY afford it in their combined efforts. I make 10k without trying. Its insane. 6 people saving up 50k is cakewalk.

Being respectable and honorable also requires you to accept your loss honorably and respectable like. That is more moral. If the guy won it then my morals would tell me to cheer him on and congratulate him on his win.